WN84 (Maisy) Battery WW2 Radio Photos

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  1. Pat Curran

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    Hi All,

    I believe I may have found the location of two more photos from the WW2 Radio 'Photos Normandie - Juin 1944' collection. They are:

    If I am correct, both photos show the casemates at Widerstandsnest 83 approximately 1.3Kms south west of Maisy. Three of the four appear quite clearly on present day Google Maps satellite cover here.

    OK, here are my ties; first an extract from frame 1108 of sortie US30/4045 flown on the 31st May 1944 showing the position:
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    Note casemates 1-3, which appear complete and what I take to be an incomplete or foundation pit for casemate 4. Also note field corner 'C', bomb crater 'B'. Now compare the same ties for the two WW2 Radio photos:
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    Note that what I have marked on frame 1108 as the water tower appears on the wrong side of the hedgerow when viewed in the first WW2 Radio photo, but I may have selected a wooden hut in error - its unlikely to have been moved between the 31st May and D-Day. In any case, I remain convinced this is the correct location.

    The church spire on the sky line is, I believe, the church in Maisy. The present day spire here appears to be a somewhat poor post war reconstruction of the original and excellent match as shown in this old pre-war postcard:

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    The small spire is (I hope) in line of sight with the main spire as viewed from WN 83 and so does not show on the sky line in the first WW2 Radio photo.

    Note the small works locomotive in the same position in both WW2 Radio photos and the highly detailed view of the incomplete casemate 4 in the second photo. No sign of this casemate appears above ground on the present day satellite view of the position:

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    So guys, am I correct with the location for these two photos?

    Thanks,

    Pat
     
  2. John Szweda

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    RE: WN83 (Maisy) Battery WW2 Radio Photos

    Pat,

    I would say you are absolutely 100% correct! :)
    You could post photo 37 as the dummy battery location just north of the Maisy battery.

    John
     
  3. Pat Curran

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    RE: WN83 (Maisy) Battery WW2 Radio Photos

    Hi John,

    Thanks for the positive feedback ;)

    Here is your dummy position photo from the same WW2 Radio FB collection (photo 37 of 47), with ties field corner 'D' and positions 1-4:
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    ...and the same ties clearly showing on another extract from ACIU US30/4045, frame 1108:
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    Position 4 appears to be under a camouflage net when it was photographed on the 31st of May by the reconnaissance F4 aircraft of the 30th Photographic Reconnaissance Squadron, 10th Photographic Group, Ninth Air Force.

    Regards,

    Pat
     
  4. John Szweda

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    RE: WN83 (Maisy) Battery WW2 Radio Photos

    Hi Pat,

    I did read The Gary Sterne book "The Cover-up at Omaha beach" which is specifically about the Maisy battery. I was interested in an opinion on the significance of the Maisy battery and what role it may have played from D-Day until it was captured.

    There is a previous unknown oblique aerial on the NCAP website, of the Maisy battery taken on D-Day that you and I had discussed before. It was from the unknown aerials (US7/1730 S_0028). Very few have ever seen the aerial, and those who had didn't know what it was. Seeing the aerial, it is hard to know what kind of role Maisy may have played.

    John
     
  5. John Szweda

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    RE: WN83 (Maisy) Battery WW2 Radio Photos

    Pat,

    One correction I forgot to make is that the photos are actually of WN 84 La Martiniere which was the western part of the Maisy complex. WN 83 Les Perruques was the eastern part of the complex.

    John
     
  6. Pat Curran

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    RE: WN83 (Maisy) Battery WW2 Radio Photos

    John,

    For those readers who may not have seen this reconnaissance photo, the NCAP link to frame S_0028 of sortie US7/1730 is here.

    From the table titled 'Artillery Defenses in the Vicinity of D-Day Beaches June 6, 1944' on page 29 of 'D-Day Fortifications in Normandy' by Steven J. Zaloga:

    Unit / Strongpoint / Location / Weapons / Fortification

    8/AR.1716 / WN84 / Maisy-la-Martinere / 4x 100mm IFH 14/19(t) / H669

    9/AR.1716 / WN83 / Maisy-la-Perruque / 6x 155mm sFH414 (f) / Open Platform

    If that table is correct, then I have the wrong WN number for the four concrete casemates as seen in the two WW2 Radio photos - that position should be designated WN 84, not WN 83.

    Anyone able to confirm this correction?

    Thanks,

    Pat
     
  7. Pat Curran

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    Thanks John,

    You answered my query; WN 84 it is :rolleyes:

    I have changed the title of this thread to read accordingly.

    Pat
     
  8. Pat Curran

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    RE: WN83 (Maisy) Battery WW2 Radio Photos

    For the sake of clarity...
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    Note the village of Maisy at upper right.

    Regards,

    Pat
     
  9. Pat Curran

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    Also for the sake of clarity and our reputation...

    Access to WN 83 would appear to be on a commercial basis as indicated here, but access to WN 84 is most certainly not public, and permission should be sought from the relevant land owner if a reader wants to visit that position.

    Thanks,

    Pat
     
  10. Pat Curran

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    Hi All,

    I have received an email from Gary Sterne, owner of the Maisy Batteries land:

    I am awaiting Gary's permission to post the photos and maps to which he refers above.

    Anyone see the gun in the open on the aerials already posted?

    Regards,

    Pat
     
  11. Pat Curran

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    Here are Gary's images and maps reproduced here with his consent.

    First, the two photos of the gun in the open:
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    ...and the position of the Fouchers' Farm Battery circled in green below:
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    ...the map of the extended site dated 6th March 1944:
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    ...an extract from the German minefield map:
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    The full map at full resolution which Gary sent me is here (1.3MBs).

    ...and finally a copy of one of the radio reports:
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    My thanks to Gary Sterne for these images and maps!

    Much appreciated Gary ;)

    Regards,

    Pat
     
  12. allan125

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    Afraid not Pat, but this contact with Gary is really good news

    Regards

    Allan
     
  13. Sean

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    Hello there

    Just for the sake of clarity, does Gary (or anyone) have the map showing the placement of the guns on 6/3/44 in colour? Just to confirm they were confirmed, so to speak.

    Thanks

    Sean
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    oh, and the gun is visible in the oblique shots from WW2 Radio...
    Just to the left of your line towards Casemate #4 in the first one, and just to the left of the line to the water pipe(?) in the second.

    Cheers

    Sean
     
  14. Pat Curran

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    Thanks Sean,

    I see it now.

    All of Gary's attachments to his email are now up. I sent you his email address via a PM if you want to contact him directly.

    Regards,

    Pat
     
  15. patelie

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    Photographs of La Martinière, WN84, taken 17 years ago
    http://www.6juin1944.com/espace/batteries/batterie.php?ref=maisy&id=1&idmax=5
    The first photograph is the same casemate than on the photograph with the gun destroyed

    @Sean
    On a map dated of february 1944, the guns are in blue and calibers in purple
     
  16. Sean

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    Thanks Patrick,

    To confirm, I meant the guns at "Foucher's farm" that were placed there on 6th March. I guess they're not on the February map?

    Are these guns not those destined for the casemates (ie not more guns)?

    Cheers

    Sean
     
  17. patelie

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    Sean
    Here is an extract of a map as of 20 May

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  18. Sean

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    #18 Sean, Dec 5, 2019
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    Hello there

    Going through this again... it seems the map Pat posted has disappeared (at least on my screen), so here's a similar one from May 1944 (no specific date. It shows three empty emplacements, four under construction casemates and the location of the guns moved there in March (ringed red).
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    Is there anything to suggest these guns are not those destined for the casemates upon their completion?

    The exclamation marks on the other groups of empty casemates indicates that they're dummy, by the way

    Thanks in advance

    Sean

    Edited due to a fresh look at things...
     
  19. allan125

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    Thanks Sean, trust you had a busy 75th anniversary year.
     
  20. John Szweda

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    Hi Sean,
    I don't think this will answer your question, but I think this might be what Patrick Elie had posted before in post #17.
    It is the BIGOT German Defenses map from May 20th.
    I think the map indicate smaller caliber guns at the farm, than what was intended for the Wn84 casemates.
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