La Seulles Riviere Hi Guys, Frame 3050 and 4076 concatenated showing Courseulles-sur-Mer. Source: NCAP Frame 4072 is the intersection of D7 with the road into the Chateau. https://www.google.de/maps/@49.3289588,-0.4283666,694m/data=!3m1!1e3 Frame 4071 is a smaller Chateau in the south of Bernieres-sur-Mer at 27 Rue de la Crieux. https://www.google.de/maps/place/27+Rue+de+la+Crieux,+14990+Berni%C3%A8res-sur-Mer,+Frankreich/@49.3286768,-0.4245276,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x480a5f261182911d:0x2e1b422bbbfdd569
Hi Hans, Can you clarify the frame numbers you have located in your post #79 above please? Thanks, Pat
Hi Pat, the pano is composed from a series of 8 (5+3) frames. The top 5 frames are Frame 8068 8067 8066 8065 8064 The bottom 3 frames are 8083 8062 8061 all from US7-1730. All show a sequence of locations starting in Bernieres-sur-Mer (8061) along D7 and later a local street into Seulles Riviere ending with Frame 8068. There is a small gap between both groups. Frame 8063 and 8064 don't overlap. The center piece of D7 between both villages is w/o frame from this series. I think we can use the pano to locate 4071 (confirmed) 4072 (confirmed) 4073 4074 4075 4076 (confirmed) alongside the D7 into Seulles Riviere. I still need to check for available port and starboard pairs and IGN 1947 evidence. Hans
Thanks Hans, I am putting together a html table index of your findings for posting here, so I just wanted to be sure as to which frames you had found in post #79. Regards, Pat
By the way. I have made quick check of all frames from sorties US7/1730, and I did not find this photos: 3021 4005 4057 4059 8092 8095 P_0005 P_0089 P_0090 P_0094 P_0096 S_0062 S_0063 Does it mean that this frames are not exist ? or have not been scaned ? and P_0091 has a wrong location: 49.348176, 0.547643 - should be 49.348176, -0.547643 but that is a detail. I will try to start searching a new frames by the end of this week. Regards Wojtek
Hi Wojtek, The reason could be that they are not scanned - or that they are not in the NCAP collection at all. NCAP do not hold the negatives, only original master prints which were handed over in the 1960s. I suspect a bit of 'cherry picking' occurred sometime prior to this handover and certain prints never made it to the archives. Regards, Pat
Hi Pat, Are you sure that NCAP do not hold any photos in negatives ? Or you are talking just about this sortie US7/1730. A dozens of frames which I ordered from NCAP looks like scan from a negative not from a prints. Most prints which I've ordered come from NARA. Regards, Wojtek
That's my understanding Wojtek, All their frames are scanned from master prints. I recall asking them about negatives a few years back and they said that The National Archives only received master prints during the handover from the RAF in the 1960s. TNA in turn passed on all they had to NCAP (formerly TARA). Check with Kevin in the NCAP office in case this is no longer the case - his email is ncap@rcahms.gov.uk Regards, Pat
Film negatives are much too flammable for safe long term storage which is why they made several high quality prints from each negative and then destroyed the negatives in the 1950's and 1960's. For the missing frames sometimes if the analyst felt that a particular frame was duplicated in one or more other frames then they didn't have those duplicates printed. That is usually shown/detected in the sortie map plots made of the photo mission.
Hi All, Below is the list of all 239 'un-locatables' from sortie US7GR/1730. Any frame with an entry in the 'Post #' column has been found by Hans and the number in that column refers to his post number in this thread. I'll add links from this column back to his individual posts with the next edit. <iframe src="http://www.normandy.whitebeamimages.ie/ncap/un-locatables_found/sortie_us7gr_1730/html_table_for_ncap_unlocatables_found_sortie_us7-1730_index2.html" width="830px" height="400px"> frameborder="2" </iframe> If anyone spots any errors in the table, please let me know. Well done again Hans Regards, Pat
Not true. NARA has their WWII recon negatives. Tens of thousands of nitrate base movie prints also exist in various archives. Special storage requirements including sophisticated fire suppression systems make it an expensive proposition, but that's an economic question, not a technical one.
In any case, for the frames we do have... We, or rather Hans has, found 19.7% of the 'un-locatables' from US7GR/1730 if my math is correct, so we have many more hours of searching to find the remainder. It would be a great tribute to Lt Col Shoop and his aircraft, F5B Lightning 42-67382, if we could find as many as possible of his 'lost souls'. Also, I know the NCAP guys are especially anxious to find all frames from sorties flown on D-Day for obvious reasons - demand from research customers is much higher for this date than any other - at least for Normandy sorties. Regards, Pat
Courseulles-sur-Mer Hi Guys, 2 more. Frame 3048/4074 shown below concatenated. Close to the port. Source: NCAP Together with Frame 4075 already tagged with the location they are shown on the IGN Cover 1947 highlighted with small arrows. Source: IGN Here todays view. Source:Google Maps Please notice the large square building at lower right. It can be seen as well as something 'square' in the Frames 8064/8065 from the pano.
Langrunes-sur-Mer, Bernieres-sur-Mer, Courseulles-sur-Mer Hi Guys, more frames resolved. Courseulles-sur-Mer Frame 4049.See the high res IGN cover from 1947. Source: IGN Frame 3069/4105. Frame 8067 has the location at 3 o'clock. [hr] Frame 4073 can be linked to the perimeter of Courseulles-sur Mer via Frame 8064. [hr] Langrues-sur-Mer Frame 4068 can be linked to Frame 8059. Frame 4069 can be linked to Frame 8060 [hr] Here high res cover from IGN 1947 for Frame 4068. Source: IGN Here the high res cover from IGN 1947 for Frame 4069. Source: IGN
Bernieres-sur-Mer Frame 4070 Frame 4071 Frame 4072 Frame 4107 Frame 3002/4002 Wojtek's earlier find. Located in the IGN Cover from 1947. Source: IGN
Arromanches-les-Bains, Colleville, Graye-sur-Mer Hi Guys, some more from the back-end. Graye-sur-Mer Frame P002 Frame P003 Frame P004 Colleville / Omaha Beach Frame P006 can be identified with Frame 8028 Frame 8026 can be identified with Frame 8027 Arromanches-les-Bains Frame 8081 Frame 8082 Frame 8081 and 8082 can be identified with Frame 3033 from sortie 4/0166 from 4 Squadron (RAF). [hr] Colleville / Omaha Beach Frame pair 3022/4023 and Frame 4022 can also be located to Omaha Beach. See as ref Frame 7017 from sortie US7 1743. Source: NCAP [hr] Omaha Beach Frame 8026 can be identified and linked to Omaha Beach with Frame 8027. Frame 8029 can be identified with Frame 8030. In the center is a field visible with one 'round corner'. Some light grey. This same field is spared by the cloud in Frame 8029.
Gold Beach Ver-sur-Mer Hi Guys, Frame 3051/4078 & Frame 8070 Frame 3052/4079 & Frame 8071 The relation between the Frames 3052/4079 and 8071 is not so obvious. The AoI in Frame 8071 is covered with clouds. However the x-ing at 5 o'clock can be verified, at 7 o'clock the distinced field spared by the clouds and at 9 o'clock a path into the AoI can be seen. This matches with IGN cover from 1947 to Ver-sur-Mer. The frames concatenated. The bigger street is D112 going countryside. If I am not mistaking single file of soldiers including 2 vehilces can be see moving south close to the intersection with Rue du Pavillion. Todays view. Source Google Maps https://www.google.de/maps/place/Ver-sur-Mer,+Frankreich/@49.3406518,-0.519633,671m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x480a5787dd46a513:0x40c14484fbcd3a0
Pano Gold Breach - Le Grande Rau - Le Paisty Vert Hi Guys, no new discovery but a concatenation of a series of pictues starting 8083 til 8091. Source: NCAP
Hi All, Hans has emailed his latest kmz file for all US7GR_1730 'un-locatables' found up to and including 28th February last. I have uploaded this file to the ADrive account here (2.8KBs) for those who wish to view it in Google Earth. Many thanks once again Hans for all your time and effort on this sortie. Regards, Pat