Hi John, Its not that I don't believe Sgt Lebenson's Waco is at the suggested site; I just am nowhere near my 80% certainty threshold on this hunch I agree John that there is little if any sign of the wreckage from the air but this is a badly broke up Waco. The main fuselage is separated from the tail section and lies, possibly upside down, in the line-of-sight through the corner gap. It reminds me a lot of the Waco which hit the barn down at Chateau de Sebeville. Below is an extract from another Photosnormandie film - #f000076 showing this crash site: There is no digitised NCAP post invasion cover for Chateau de Sebeville but, unless one of the wings is lying flat on the ground somewhere close by, I would think this crash site would be very difficult to spot from the air - or at least that the damage to the barn was as a result of the crash. Regards, Pat
Hi John, Not a bad idea to check out the orchards in the area not too far west of SME. Hedgerows also. I'll be looking around. Charles
Hi all, I was digging around a little bit in orchards and came across something on which I would like another opinion. Below is a copy of NCAP US30/4108_1011: See anything in the orchard other than trees? No, but if we look very closely at a zoomed in portion of this image, I would like to know if anyone thinks the arrowed area shows evidence of a small building in the orchard. First, the KML showing an expanded view of the area we are in. The farm still seems to be there, although I think the orchard no longer exists: Now, the zoomed in section of frame 1011: [/align] What caught my eye was the very straight diagonal line at the end of the arrow tip. I don't see any other straight lines like this among the trees. Could that be the edge of the roof of a small building? I'm not suggesting that there is any evidence of a glider nearby, just that there may be a building. With a magnifying glass, it looks like the tree covering the suspected roof is actually above it. Or is Mother Nature playing tricks on me? Perhaps the scale of what I am seeing is just to small for even a small bldg. Charles
Hi Charles, I look at frame 1011 and I thought it was a shed, then I thought it was an armored vehicle. then I compared it to frame 1012 and I am back to a odd shaped tree. I wonder what Pat's thoughts are. No waco nearby though. John
The sun is near its max elevation in the Outhouse Waco photo. Kinda tough without crisp shadows on a flat surface, but looks like the glider is heading generally SE. Despite the limitations, it would be pretty safe to eliminate anything from, say, 210 to 30 deg.
Hi Guys, The tree is still there, marked 'A' on the extract below, from 1947 IGN cover: The canopy shape looks to me to be very much like it was three years previously but I would wonder if there is evidence of soil from a foxhole on the immediate southern edge of the canopy in frame 1011. The laneway running SW/NE at the front of the house was the jumping off line for the E/505 PIR attack northwards on the evening of the 7th June, so its probable this orchard was used as a company CP. No sign of either a house/hut either in 1944 or 1947 as far as I can make out. Unfortunately, although the house is on it, our high resolution copy of frame 1062 just misses the tree by a whisker :s Regards, Pat
Hi all, I appreciate the thoughts and comments on the shed that likely never existed. I had, and still do have, difficulty getting beyond what looks like a very straight edged shape in the orchard. And what I perceived to be the canopy of a tree hanging over something with a straight edge, and also the suggestion of a rectangular shaped shadow on the ground. See below the somewhat edited version of the frame 1011 I presented earlier: But I guess that what seems to be a very straight line could well be the result of light and shadows giving this effect. So, time to stop obsessing over this and move on to more productive matters! Thanks again. Charles
Hi all, Back to the NCAP US30/4108 1014 image which I ordered a while back. It has been received. Now I need someone to explain to me how I get it to the forum website so as to be available for consideration
Hi all, Back to the NCAP US30/4108 1014 image which I ordered a while back. It has been received. Now I need someone to explain to me how I get it to the forum website so as to be available for consideration by authorized users. Please advise. Charles
Hi Charles, Have you got it down from the NCAP online shop and stored on your own computer? If so, I can give to access to the ADrive account in order for you to upload it there. Once that's done I can make it available to members with 'Researcher' status in the Green Room Library of the Forum. Thanks again for your generosity, Pat
Yes Pat, I have downloaded the image from the NCAP online shop, and now have it on my computer under "downloads". So I guess I'm ready for the next step. Let me know if there are any tricks to doing the upload to ADrive. Charles